TDB 15 The Conversion of Cameron Bertuzzi, Part 4

In this, the final episode of our analysis of the conversion of Cameron Bertuzzi, we illustrate the absurdity of Suan Sonna’s Peter-Eliakim typological argument by proposing, absurdly, the Peter-Job typology, taking it to mean that Jesus was establishing a female priesthood. Thus, we illustrate the absurdity of the Peter-Eliakim argument through the absurdity of the Peter-Job typology, using Suan Sonna’s own methodology.

We conclude the series by offering a more scriptural understanding of Matthew 16, showing that all the phrases in Jesus’ conversation with Peter — upon this rock, bind and loose, gates of hell, keys of the kingdom —refer not to the power and authority of Peter but to the power and authority of the Word of the Father, the foundation of the Church.

For a more expansive analysis of that understanding, see Of Broken Hearts and Broken Shackles at the Trinity Foundation.

TDB 14 The Conversion of Cameron Bertuzzi, Part 3

In this episode we continue our discussion on Cameron Bertuzzi’s conversion to Roman Catholicism, focusing on apologist Jimmy Akin’s argument for the silence of the Early Church on the Papacy, and Suan Sonna’s Peter-Eliakim argument from Matthew 16:19 and Isaiah 22:22. In Akin’s case, we show not only that the Early Church did not conceal or dither on the matter of the church hierarchy, but also was staunchly against any apparent fraud or deception in their communications, insisting that church officers should be mentioned by name and title so that the authenticity of each letter would not be called into question.

Moving on to Suan Sonna’s arguments, we examine his methods as he attempts to find Roman, Petrine, Apostolic Succession in Irenæus of Lyons, Cyprian of Carthage and Clement of Rome. Having demonstrated his predilection for assuming he is right, we demonstrate from his own arguments how he sets aside his own expressed standards of interpretation to justify an untenable position on the Peter-Eliakim typology.

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Longing for Nicæa

Pints with Aquinas: Matt Fradd with Suan Sonna: Why The Papacy Is Biblical (Apr 13, 2021)

Intellectual Catholicism: Suan Sonna: the New Eliakim Typological Argument for the Papacy (July 14, 2022)

Capturing Christianity: Cameron Bertuzzi with Daniel Vecchio: Investigating the Eliakim Typological Argument for the Papacy (Sep 27, 2022)

Pints with Aquinas: Matt Fradd with Cameron Bertuzzi: Cameron Bertuzzi converts to Catholicism (November 18, 2022)

Philosophy for the People: Pat Flynn with Suan Sonna: The New Eliakim Typological Argument for the Papacy (Dec 12, 2022)

TDB 13 The Conversion of Cameron Bertuzzi, Part 2

In this episode we continue our discussion on Cameron Bertuzzi’s conversion to Roman Catholicism, focusing on apologist Matt Fradd’s position on the Eucharist, since (as Bertuzzi states) Fradd was the most influential person in his journey to conversion on the matter of the Eucharist. This time we focus on Matt Fradd’s understanding of 1 Corinthians 11:27 in which Paul warns us not to “eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily.” We take up Fradd’s challenge to explore that passage in light of how the early writers interpreted it. And because Fradd claims that he “could go on, and on, and on” with early testimonies affirming the “Real Presence of Christ in the Supper, we “go on, and on, and on” in our response, evaluating the typical ancient evidence, and rebutting the standard Roman Catholic talking points on all of them: Ignatius of Antioch and Cyril of Jerusalem (whom Fradd mentions) and Justin Martyr, Irenæus of Lyons and Cyprian of Carthage (whom he does not).

TDB 12 The Conversion of Cameron Bertuzzi, Part 1

In this episode, we identify the two main factors that contributed to the conversion of Cameron Bertuzzi to Roman Catholicism: the Eucharist and the Papacy. In this episode we provide evidence that the earliest writers took a metaphorical view of the “Bread of Life” narrative in John 6 and a symbolic view of the Last Supper institution narratives. In addition to rebutting several Roman Catholic arguments for the literal view, we also provide a scripturalist interpretation of John 6 by evaluating Jesus’ words in the immediate context of John 6, the expanded context of the harmonized loaves and fishes narrative, the broader context of the Four Gospel accounts of Jesus’ interaction with the Jews, and the fuller context of the Isaiah prophecy from Isaiah 55:1-4. Continued analysis of the Roman Catholic arguments for the literal view of the Real Presence will continue in Episodes 2 & 3.

Debating the Eucharist // Cameron Bertuzzi vs. Matt Fradd

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