SRR #46 | NCT, LGBT, Homeschool Public Service Announcements | Which Apologetic Is Biblical?
Join Carlos, Tim, and Joseph with guns blazing for New Covenant Theology, LGBT, and Postmillennialism Public Service Announcements; emails; Christian homeschool curriculums; an introduction to Gordon Clark's work and apologetic; and being diligent to study apologetics. ADDENDUM (6/12/2017): I, Carlos Montijo, am deeply sorry and apologize to Andrew Rappaport for misrepresenting what he said about Covenant Theology in his interview with Theology Gals, Episode 8 (http://biblethumpingwingnut.com/2017/04/03/theology-gals-episode-8-dispensationalism-andrew-rappaport/). I misunderstood what he said at minute 12:40 by assuming he was referring to the claim that the threefold division of the law came from Aquinas, based on a previous discussion that wasn’t public. We are removing that portion from the episode. I deeply regret giving our listeners the impression that brother Andrew was sloppy or careless in his presentation of Covenant Theology. Quite the opposite is true, for anyone who knows him is aware that he is extremely diligent to be as fair and accurate as possible when presenting views that are not his own. We at Semper Reformanda Radio share the same convictions and strive to emulate his quintessential example. I am also very grateful to brother Andrew for the opportunity he provided me to discuss Covenant Theology and New Covenant Theology with Louis Lyons, and for being able to participate in his Clashing of Theologies series, because he recognizes the importance of direct interaction with one another, especially opposing views, which in many cases is far more fruitful than one-sided monologues.
I also want to clarify my comments about Jason Mullett being “largely ignorant” of New Covenant Theology. It was not at all meant to be an insult or jab, nor was I at all implying or suggesting that I would have been the “better” representative against Dustin Segers, who is a knowledgeable and seasoned NCT proponent. It was simply based on what Jason himself said on Conversations From The Porch #50 @1:04:30, that he had not done a lot of reading on NCT and that the only thing he had read was the first three chapters of Charles Leiter’s The Law of Christ. Anyone who actually listened to our episode knows that I commended brother Jason for being an excellent debater, especially on topics that he knows well, such as his discussions with Leighton Flowers on Calvinism (http://biblethumpingwingnut.com/2017/04/24/lbm-episode-0068-dialogue-dr-leighton-flowers-libertarian-free-will/; even Flowers commended Jason for representing the Calvinist view well). I said I was disappointed because if Jason had done more reading, he would have been better prepared to interact with Dustin’s arguments, some of which were based on misunderstandings of the Reformed faith.
One example is in minute 1:23:00 of CFTP Episode 50, where Dustin claims that the Reformed view equates the moral law to the Ten Commandments (exclusively) and further claims that, historically this is how covenant theologians have always defined it. Unfortunately, many New Covenant Theology proponents make this error. Conversations From The Porch has continued to repeat this error, despite our attempts to correct it, including in this episode. All they need to do is read the Westminster Larger Catechism, Questions 93 and 98:
Q93. What is the moral law?
A. The moral law is the declaration of the will of God to mankind, directing and binding everyone to personal, perfect, and perpetual conformity and obedience thereunto, in the frame and disposition of the whole man, soul and body, and in performance of all those duties of holiness and righteousness which he oweth to God and man: promising life upon the fulfilling, and threatening death upon the breach of it.
Q 98. Where is the moral law summarily comprehended?
A. The moral law is summarily comprehended in the ten commandments, which were delivered by the voice of God upon Mount Sinai, and written by him in two tables of stone; and are recorded in the twentieth chapter of Exodus. The four first commandments containing our duty to God, and the other six our duty to man. (http://www.reformed.org/documents/wlc_w_proofs/)
I nevertheless think Jason did a great job and hope he continues to study NCT and engage in discussions/debates with them. Perhaps we can even join forces in the future 😉. Maybe it would have been better for me to say that Jason’s knowledge of NCT was limited as opposed to “largely ignorant of”. I myself am largely ignorant of many things, and I’m sure Jason is far more knowledgeable than I am about many things. As fellow Reformed Baptists we are very much in agreement with Jason and even listed his episode critiquing NCT on our playlist (http://biblethumpingwingnut.com/2017/03/22/semper-reformanda-radio-new-covenant-theology-playlist-resources/). I did not at all dismiss Jason for not being a Sabbatarian, as Pastor Paul Kaiser of Conversations From The Porch claimed in minute 53:00 of their recent episode (http://biblethumpingwingnut.com/2017/06/10/cftp-presents-ramblings-porch-public-service-correction/), nor did I ever say that Jason didn't know what he was talking about, or “immodestly imply” that I would have done better, as Ryan Dozier claimed in minute 51:30.
I hope we can all have more fruitful discussions in the future and sharpen each other as brothers in Christ.
Public Service Announcements
- For more information about Doug Wilson's false teaching, see Not Reformed at All by John Robbins and Sean Gerety, http://www.trinitylectures.org/not-reformed-at-all-p-136.html
- In 2008 Obama declared June as LGBT month (http://exministries.tv/lgbt-month-ex-ministries-discuss-the-homosexual-manifesto/). Google is wasting no time spreading its antichrist agenda with vile parades and recently released a free kids movie, A Stork’s Journey, that promotes LGBT and was Family approved by the Dove Foundation, which claims to promote Judeo-Christian values:
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“Scripturalism—Christianity—is a whole view of things thought out together. It engages non-Christian philosophies on every field of intellectual endeavor. It furnishes a coherent theory of knowledge, an infallible salvation, a refutation of science, a theory of the world, a coherent and practical system of ethics, and the principles required for political liberty and justice. No other philosophy does.” (John Robbins, “An Introduction to Gordon H. Clark,” http://www.trinityfoundation.org/journal.php?id=192)
Resources (Recommended ones noted with a '+'):
+ Puritan Homeschool Curriculum, http://www.puritans.net/curriculum/
+ Semper Reformanda Radio’s New Covenant Theology Playlist and Resources, http://biblethumpingwingnut.com/2017/03/22/semper-reformanda-radio-new-covenant-theology-playlist-resources/
+ Books by Gordon Clark: http://www.trinitylectures.org/books-c-21.html
+ Gordon Clark Facebook Groups:
+ Doug Douma, "A List of Differences Between the Thought of Gordon H. Clark and Cornelius Van Til," https://douglasdouma.wordpress.com/2016/10/13/a-list-of-differences-between-the-thought-of-gordon-h-clark-and-cornelius-van-til/
+ Gordon H. Clark, "Introduction to Theology," https://douglasdouma.wordpress.com/2017/01/01/introduction-to-theology-by-gordon-h-clark-introduction-and-table-of-contents/
- JOHN WISTAR BETZOLD, EUGENE BRADFORD, R. B. KUIPER, LEROY B. OLIVER, N. B. STONEHOUSE, MURRAY FORST THOMPSON, WILLIAM E. WELMERS, PAUL WOOLLEY, CORNELIUS VAN TIL, EDWARD J. YOUNG, DAVID FREEMAN, ARTHUR W. KUSCHKE, JR. "The Text of a Complaint Against Actions of the Presbytery of Philadelphia In the Matter of the Licensure and Ordination of Dr. Gordon H. Clark," http://gordonhclark.reformed.info/the-complaint/
+ Alan Tichenor (Chairman), Robert Strong (Secretary), Floyd E. Hamilton, Edwin H. Rian, Gordon H. Clark. "THE ANSWER TO A COMPLAINT AGAINST SEVERAL ACTIONS AND DECISIONS OF THE PRESBYTERY OF PHILADELPHIA TAKEN IN A SPECIAL MEETING HELD ON JULY 7, 1944: Proposed to the Presbytery of Philadelphia of The Orthodox Presbyterian Church by the Committee Elected by Presbytery to Prepare Such an Answer," http://gordonhclark.reformed.info/the-answer/
"There are still very strong misrepresentations–even slanders–of Clark today, particularly from Van Tilians. Here are a few examples from Scott Oliphint, Apologia Radio, and Reformed Forum" (http://biblethumpingwingnut.com/2017/04/06/knowledge-faith-marks-true-clarkian/):
+ Intro to Clark and Scripturalism
+ “God and Logic” by Gordon H. Clark, http://www.trinityfoundation.org/journal.php?id=16
- “Scripturalism: A Christian Worldview” by W. Gary Crampton
- o http://www.trinityfoundation.org/journal.php?id=276
- “An Introduction to Gordon H. Clark” by John W. Robbins
- o http://www.trinityfoundation.org/journal.php?id=192
- “The Biblical View of Truth” by John W. Robbins
- o http://www.trinityfoundation.org/journal.php?id=205
- “The Bible As Truth” by Gordon H. Clark
- o http://www.trinityfoundation.org/journal.php?id=258
- “What Is Christian Philosophy?” by John W. Robbins
- o http://www.trinityfoundation.org/journal.php?id=218
- “A Christian Appraisal of Contemporary Philosophy” by Gordon H. Clark
- o http://www.trinityfoundation.org/journal.php?id=80
- “The Necessity of Gordon Clark” by B.K. Campbell
- o https://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/articles/onsite/Necessity_of_Gordon_Clark.pdf