In this episode we continue our discussion on Cameron Bertuzzi’s conversion to Roman Catholicism, focusing on apologist Jimmy Akin’s argument for the silence of the Early Church on the Papacy, and Suan Sonna’s Peter-Eliakim argument from Matthew 16:19 and Isaiah 22:22. In Akin’s case, we show not only that the Early Church did not conceal or dither on the matter of the church hierarchy, but also was staunchly against any apparent fraud or deception in their communications, insisting that church officers should be mentioned by name and title so that the authenticity of each letter would not be called into question.

Moving on to Suan Sonna’s arguments, we examine his methods as he attempts to find Roman, Petrine, Apostolic Succession in Irenæus of Lyons, Cyprian of Carthage and Clement of Rome. Having demonstrated his predilection for assuming he is right, we demonstrate from his own arguments how he sets aside his own expressed standards of interpretation to justify an untenable position on the Peter-Eliakim typology.

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Longing for Nicæa

Pints with Aquinas: Matt Fradd with Suan Sonna: Why The Papacy Is Biblical (Apr 13, 2021)

Intellectual Catholicism: Suan Sonna: the New Eliakim Typological Argument for the Papacy (July 14, 2022)

Capturing Christianity: Cameron Bertuzzi with Daniel Vecchio: Investigating the Eliakim Typological Argument for the Papacy (Sep 27, 2022)

Pints with Aquinas: Matt Fradd with Cameron Bertuzzi: Cameron Bertuzzi converts to Catholicism (November 18, 2022)

Philosophy for the People: Pat Flynn with Suan Sonna: The New Eliakim Typological Argument for the Papacy (Dec 12, 2022)

In this episode we continue our discussion on Cameron Bertuzzi’s conversion to Roman Catholicism, focusing on apologist Matt Fradd’s position on the Eucharist, since (as Bertuzzi states) Fradd was the most influential person in his journey to conversion on the matter of the Eucharist. This time we focus on Matt Fradd’s understanding of 1 Corinthians 11:27 in which Paul warns us not to “eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily.” We take up Fradd’s challenge to explore that passage in light of how the early writers interpreted it. And because Fradd claims that he “could go on, and on, and on” with early testimonies affirming the “Real Presence of Christ in the Supper, we “go on, and on, and on” in our response, evaluating the typical ancient evidence, and rebutting the standard Roman Catholic talking points on all of them: Ignatius of Antioch and Cyril of Jerusalem (whom Fradd mentions) and Justin Martyr, Irenæus of Lyons and Cyprian of Carthage (whom he does not).

In this episode, we identify the two main factors that contributed to the conversion of Cameron Bertuzzi to Roman Catholicism: the Eucharist and the Papacy. In this episode we provide evidence that the earliest writers took a metaphorical view of the “Bread of Life” narrative in John 6 and a symbolic view of the Last Supper institution narratives. In addition to rebutting several Roman Catholic arguments for the literal view, we also provide a scripturalist interpretation of John 6 by evaluating Jesus’ words in the immediate context of John 6, the expanded context of the harmonized loaves and fishes narrative, the broader context of the Four Gospel accounts of Jesus’ interaction with the Jews, and the fuller context of the Isaiah prophecy from Isaiah 55:1-4. Continued analysis of the Roman Catholic arguments for the literal view of the Real Presence will continue in Episodes 2 & 3.

Debating the Eucharist // Cameron Bertuzzi vs. Matt Fradd

3 Very Important Updates

Cameron Bertuzzi CONVERTS to Catholicism (Here's how it happened)

“News today: Embalmers, Debate in Canada, FDA meeting on hold, Cell paper, mask study disputed, Igor’s discovery, news from Peter McCullough, post-vax photos, and much more” by Steve Kirsch, Steve Kirsch’s newsletter, 2/11/2022

“Explosive: Embalmer reveals 93% of cases have deadly clots caused by the COVID vax” by Steve Kirsch, Steve Kirsch’s newsletter, 2/12/2022

“Ford to City: Drop Dead” The New York Daily News, 10/30/1975

“Biden Mandates Vaccines for Workers, Saying, ‘Our Patience Is Wearing Thin’” by Katie Rogers and Sheryl Gay Stolberg, The New York Times, 11/12/2021

"Supreme Court appears poised to block Biden's vaccine and testing rules for businesses" by Ariane de Vogue, CNN, 1/7/2022

"Democratic Governor Calls For Criminalizing ‘Lying’ About Election Results” by Jonathan Turley, 1/8/2022

"Bellwether Counties Nearly Wiped Out by 2020 Election," by John McCormick, The Wall Street Journal, 11/13/2020

"Trump not first to win Iowa, Florida, Ohio and lose election" Our QuadCities.com, 12/11/2020

"Fact check: Biden campaign events portrayed as small lack context of COVID-19 guidelines" by Devon Link, USA Today, 9/29/2020

"Trump's campaign made stops nationwide. Coronavirus cases surged in his wake in at least five places" by Erin Mansfield, Josh Salman, and Dinah Voyles Pulver, USA Today, 1/28/2021. It's odd, but I don't recall USA Today or any other national paper complaining about surging Covid cases following Antifa and Black Lives Matter riots. I guess Covid comes out only when it's a Republican rally.

"Donald Trump, Michelle Obama Most Admired in 2020" by Jeffrey M. Jones, Gallup, 12/29/2020

“Kamala Harris compares January 6 to Pearl Harbor and 9/11 in anniversary speech at the Capitol” by Thomas Coex, Business Insider, 1/6/2022 

“Chicago Cardinal Decries ‘Lies’ of Election Tampering, Urges No Restrictions on Voting” by Thomas D. Williams, Ph.D., Breitbart, 1/7/2022

“’Preserve the Narrative’: The Public Rejects the ‘Insurrection’ Claim in New Polling” by Jonathan Turley, 1/7/2022

“Is it ‘Happy New Year’ or “Happy New Years’? NYE Greeting Explained” by Tom Fish, Newsweek, 12/31/2021

“25 Nights of Lights: The best-dressed Christmas homes around Cincinnati” WLWT 5, 12/31/2021

“Pope Francis: Saint Joseph Was A ‘Persecuted And Courageous Migrant’” by Thomas D. Williams, Ph.D., Breitbart, 12/29/2021

“Ocasio-Cortez says Jesus was a ‘Refugee’ in Christmas tweet” by Samuel Chamberlain, Fox News, 12/25/2018

“True Love is radical because it requires us to see ourselves in all people” Tweet by Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 12/25/2018. This is the tweet with an image portraying a migrant couple with child as Joseph, Mary, and Jesus.

Justice for Immigrants webpage, accessed 1/2/2022. Note well, there’s no mention of justice for American citizens. Rome cares only about foreigners. And really, Rome doesn’t care about the illegal aliens either. The only thing Rome cares about is advancing its causes of socialism and world government by any means necessary. The migrants are pawns in Rome’s power game.

Exsul Familia Nazarathana, by Pope Pius XII, 1952. This is the foundational document governing Rome’s immigration, migration, and refugee resettlement theory and practice. Pope Pius XX, also known as “Hitler’s Pope” (see John Cornwell’s book by the same title). This Apostolic Constitution sets forth the migration principles Rome is using to destroy the West. The Babylonian Harlot has figured out a way, not only to destabilize and ultimately destroy the free, independent nations of the West, but also to make the citizens of these nations pay for their own destruction. Truly a Satanic work.

“Was Jesus An Illegal Immigrant?” Pulpit & Pen, 12/18/2013. This article quotes Russell Moore of the Southern Baptist Convention talking his usual immigration nonsense, aping the papal Antichrist by calling Jesus an “illegal immigrant” when he was nothing of the sort. Russell Moore, it would seem, has made a prosperous career for himself denouncing his putative fellow Christians to an ever-eager audience of progressives and various America haters. His message? “I’m an Evangelical, but not one of those icky sorts of Evangelicals who voted for Donald Trump or who questions the wisdom of admitting endless millions of welfare migrants into the country.”

Definition of a refugee, UN Refugee Service, accessed 1/2/2022

“Pope Francis: ‘No Country Can Exempt Itself From Duty To Take In Migrants” by Thomas D. Williams, Ph.D., 12/22/2021. The “duty” for nations to admit welfare migrants of which Pope Francis speaks is found nowhere in Scripture. It is a figment of the Antichrist papal imagination. The words of Genesis 6:5 are applicable here, “And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.”

“DHS: More Than 52,000 Afghan Refugees Resettled in US in 2021” by Charles Kim, Newsmax, 12/31/2021

“Nearly 400K Anchor Babies Born In 2021, Outpacing U.S. Births In 49 States” by John Binder, Breitbart, 12/31/2021

“Situation at the southern border worse that (sic) you probably realize” by Nolan Rappaport, The Hill, 11/15/2021

“Crisis at the border not taking a break for the holidays…” by Griff Jenkins, Twitter, 12/29/2021

Trans-Siberian Orchestra - Wizards in Winter (Official Music Video)

“How ‘A Charlie Brown Christmas’ Came to Be - and Almost Didn’t” by Lee Habeeb, Newsweek, 12/8/2021

“Pope Francis: ‘No country Can Exempt Itself’ From Duty to take in Migrants” by Thomas D. Williams, Ph.D., Breitbart, 12/22/2021

“Viktor Orban is World’s Most Powerful Calvinist” published by Capstone Report, 1/20/2020

“‘The situation is dire’; Salvation Army facing toy, donation shortage ahead of holidays” by Fox 13 News Staff, 12/13/2021

“The Salvation army’s Response to False Claims on the Topic of Racism” 11/25/2021

“Wokeness Infiltrates the Salvation Army” by Kenny Xu” The Wall Street Journal, 12/16/2021

“The Salvation Army’s Affiliation with the United Nations”

“Study Guide on Racism” Colonel Richard Munn

“Darrell Brooks shared pro-Hitler memes, called for violence against white people” by Lee Brown, The New York Post, 11/24/2021

“Study Guide on Sexism” by Colonel Richard Munn

“Biblical Principles of Giving” by John W. Robbins, The Trinity Foundation, March 2004

“ACCC 2019 Resolution: The Evil of Critical Theory”